Trimix dosage HELP

[Ken]

I am a new user, one time. The Dr. gave me PG35mcg - PA18mg-PH-0.6 #5
The compunding pharmacy gave me the 1cc syringe. So I tried a 1cc
dosage and did fill, enlarge but still kind of soft. Needed lots
foreplay by wife.

Can you tell me if this is considered a low-medium-high dose. This is a
switch from Edex which I have 40mcg but have taken 60mcg.

[Lmac]

Post by Ken
I am a new user, one time. The Dr. gave me PG35mcg - PA18mg-PH-0.6 #5
The compunding pharmacy gave me the 1cc syringe. So I tried a 1cc
dosage and did fill, enlarge but still kind of soft. Needed lots
foreplay by wife.
Can you tell me if this is considered a low-medium-high dose. This is a
switch from Edex which I have 40mcg but have taken 60mcg.

Sounds unusually high.

My own formula (17.65 - 5.88 - 0.65) is more dilute than yours and my
injection range is about 10% to 20% (in volume) of the above dose.
Using a disposable U-100 insulin syringe I inject from 8 units (0.08cc)
to 18 units (0.18cc).

Some users have reported using up to 80 units (0.8cc) of "Standard
Trimix" -- however, it's unusual to run across dosages above 50 units.

...Lmac

[Ken]

Post by Lmac
Sounds unusually high.
My own formula (17.65 - 5.88 - 0.65) is more dilute than yours and my
injection range is about 10% to 20% (in volume) of the above dose.
Using a disposable U-100 insulin syringe I inject from 8 units (0.08cc)
to 18 units (0.18cc).

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Thanks for the response - wish we had other Trimix users respond and
tell us their dosage and compare to mine. So you say it is high but
they just increased it to 'Super strength' wish I knew each %. But
yours is quite lower than mine - do you get results. I was hoping for
hardness without much fore play but did not happen and certainly
nothing close to what you read about these people who stay hard fro 2
hours.

Do you think it is important to inject after you excite a little vs
flacid?

[LMac]

Post by Ken

Post by Lmac
Sounds unusually high.
My own formula (17.65 - 5.88 - 0.65) is more dilute than yours and my
injection range is about 10% to 20% (in volume) of the above dose.
Using a disposable U-100 insulin syringe I inject from 8 units (0.08cc)
to 18 units (0.18cc).

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Thanks for the response - wish we had other Trimix users respond and
tell us their dosage and compare to mine. So you say it is high but
they just increased it to 'Super strength' wish I knew each %. But
yours is quite lower than mine - do you get results. I was hoping for
hardness without much fore play but did not happen and certainly
nothing close to what you read about these people who stay hard fro 2
hours.
Do you think it is important to inject after you excite a little vs
flacid?

Some stimulation should be needed to get your started following
injection. Mental suggestion or fantasy might be sufficient (I like
skin contact with a warm spouse). According to this ng and my Uro, the
'average bear' should penetrable (85%) in 10-15 minutes. I'm slower and
need about 20 (lot of blood thinners). Heavy stimulation should further
boost this to a 'working' stiffness (95% or better).

Yes, most of us like to 'fluff' a bit for a stable injection target. I
like sufficient blood in the cavernosa so that I can't distinguish
internal structures by feel. 31x8mm needles yield more confidence than
I had with 1/2" needles.

...Lmac

[Ignatz's Bricks]

Post by Ken

Post by Lmac
Sounds unusually high.
My own formula (17.65 - 5.88 - 0.65) is more dilute than yours and my
injection range is about 10% to 20% (in volume) of the above dose.
Using a disposable U-100 insulin syringe I inject from 8 units (0.08cc)
to 18 units (0.18cc).

LMac, if your max dose is only 18 units, I'd suggest that you buy 50cc
syringes the next time. They are much easier to read dosage and easier
to hold in one hand.

Post by Ken
Thanks for the response - wish we had other Trimix users respond and
tell us their dosage and compare to mine. So you say it is high but
they just increased it to 'Super strength' wish I knew each %.

Your bottle should be marked. In most states this is required by law.

Post by Ken
But (reffering to LMac)
yours is quite lower than mine - do you get results. I was hoping for
hardness without much fore play but did not happen and certainly
nothing close to what you read about these people who stay hard fro 2
hours.
Do you think it is important to inject after you excite a little vs
flacid?

Trimix is a mixture of three drugs, usually, but not always written in
the below sequence.

A typical mixture would be:

Alprostadil, or PGE, or prostaglandin E at 10 mmg / ml or 10 µg / ml
Papaverine at 30 mg / ml
Phentolamine, or Rogitine at 1 mg / ml

If your dosage gets below 10 units or above 80 units, you should have
your uro change the strength of the mixture.

For dosage everyone is different. My trimix is a stronger than standard
mixture, 20 µg - 30mg - 2.5mg and I inject 50 to 80 units, with the
dosage adjusted to how tired I feel at the time of injection.

Ken, you say you use PG35mcg - PA18mg-PH-0.6 #5.

First off, the #5 is a local designation. There are no industry
standards on the formula numbers.

My guess is that you have:
Yours : 10 µg PGE - 18 mg PA - 0.6 mg Phen
Standard: 10 µg PGE - 30 mg PA - 1.0 mg Phen

If so, you have been prescribed a slightly weak mixture.

Post by Ken
Do you think it is important to inject after you excite a little vs
flacid?

You should be slightly plump, but not really hard when you inject.

Hope this helps and sorry I cannot be more specific.


For the record, the single-ingredient dose (Caverject 40 µg PGE) that
gave Jerry Sturdivant his 7 hour boner, would just be a large dose for
me, and I would probably be able to easily get it down within 4 hours.

The story of Jerry's Overdose can be found at:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.impotence/msg/c53d363004f6153d


Ignatz Bricks

[Ken]

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
For dosage everyone is different. My trimix is a stronger than standard
mixture, 20 µg - 30mg - 2.5mg and I inject 50 to 80 units, with the
dosage adjusted to how tired I feel at the time of injection.

So this means your dosage is higher than mine. Is that Pa 20m PGE 30mg
and Ph 2.5

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
Ken, you say you use PG35mcg - PA18mg-PH-0.6 #5.
Yours : 10 µg PGE - 18 mg PA - 0.6 mg Phen
Standard: 10 µg PGE - 30 mg PA - 1.0 mg Phen
NO what I say is correct, it is right on vial. PGE 35mg, Pa 18mg and Ph .6

I think the Pa needs to be higher.

[LMac]

Post by Ken

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
For dosage everyone is different. My trimix is a stronger than standard
mixture, 20 µg - 30mg - 2.5mg and I inject 50 to 80 units, with the
dosage adjusted to how tired I feel at the time of injection.

So this means your dosage is higher than mine. Is that Pa 20m PGE 30mg
and Ph 2.5

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
Ken, you say you use PG35mcg - PA18mg-PH-0.6 #5.
Yours : 10 µg PGE - 18 mg PA - 0.6 mg Phen
Standard: 10 µg PGE - 30 mg PA - 1.0 mg Phen
NO what I say is correct, it is right on vial. PGE 35mg, Pa 18mg and Ph .6

I think the Pa needs to be higher.

Hi folks. The first time I saw this I thought it was a typo.

35 milligrams of PGE1??? Thirty-five micrograms per ml would be a
monster dose. Several months ago, in the Yahoo-ASI group, <avocet> did
a quick survey of mixs. Respondents all reported PGE1 (or Alprodastil)
in micrograms. Since PGE1's the most powerful (and expensive)
ingredient--we are looking at either mislabeling or a very atypical
version of Trimix.

For Ken: Were the vial mine, I'd recheck the label. If that's 35mg of
PGE1 (the most powerful vasodilator in Trimix), I'd stop using the vial
and call my Urologist and see if that's what he or she intended.

On the other hand, if it's 3.5 micrograms (ucg) of PGE then the formula
might be a bit on the weak side. (I'm taking 5.88 ucg and Ignatz's mix
has 10). Either way it sounds like it's time for Urologist involvement.

Please post the results. Once you get a workable dose post it we'll get
it in Avocet's formula list.

...Lmac

[Ignatz's Bricks]

Post by LMac
Hi folks. The first time I saw this I thought it was a typo.
35 milligrams of PGE1??? Thirty-five micrograms per ml would be a
monster dose.

Whoops!

Good catch LMac!

When I answered Ken's question, I misread his PG35 as "10µ" which is the
usual starting dose. In fact 10µ (or 10mmg) of PG alone (no trimix) was
my initial testing dose back in 2003.

Ken, check that bottle again! Is there a decimal point in there?

IB

[Ken]

Post by LMac
Hi folks. The first time I saw this I thought it was a typo.
35 milligrams of PGE1??? Thirty-five micrograms per ml would be a
monster dose.

Well if you check this website
http://www.kronospharmacy.com/Pharmacy/products_triple.aspx you will
see that the Super Strength goes up to 50. So I am sure 35 mmg is the
PGE1 and I think they increased it with 2nd vial since this only sat
"Super Strength" and no other parameters.

[Lmac]

Post by Ken

Post by LMac
Hi folks. The first time I saw this I thought it was a typo.
35 milligrams of PGE1??? Thirty-five micrograms per ml would be a
monster dose.

Well if you check this website
http://www.kronospharmacy.com/Pharmacy/products_triple.aspx you will
see that the Super Strength goes up to 50. So I am sure 35 mmg is the
PGE1 and I think they increased it with 2nd vial since this only sat
"Super Strength" and no other parameters.

Thanks for the link Ken,

I hadn't checked Kronos website for a year or two. If that was 1cc you
were injecting this is still an impressive dose. I'd really chat with my
Uro about this. You getting any pain? (like you might from Edex or
Caverject)

...Lmac

[Ken]

Post by Lmac

Post by Ken

Post by LMac
Hi folks. The first time I saw this I thought it was a typo.
35 milligrams of PGE1??? Thirty-five micrograms per ml would be a
monster dose.

Well if you check this website
http://www.kronospharmacy.com/Pharmacy/products_triple.aspx you will
see that the Super Strength goes up to 50. So I am sure 35 mmg is the
PGE1 and I think they increased it with 2nd vial since this only sat
"Super Strength" and no other parameters.

Thanks for the link Ken,
I hadn't checked Kronos website for a year or two. If that was 1cc you
were injecting this is still an impressive dose. I'd really chat with my
Uro about this. You getting any pain? (like you might from Edex or
Caverject)
...Lmac

No pain at all. But do not get the extended erection time most of these
people get with a lot less. You'd think I get at least two with this
dose but it is way less than a hour and needs foreplay.

[LMac]

Post by Ken
No pain at all. But do not get the extended erection time most of these
people get with a lot less. You'd think I get at least two with this
dose but it is way less than a hour and needs foreplay.

Hi again Ken,
I just went back and checked the Kronos website. Their "formula 5"
entry is what many users call "standard" Trimix (30-1-10) and is the
starting formula for most users. I inject a mix about 2/3 the strength
of "standard." Mine's 17.65pap-.65phen-5.88pge, similar to Kronos'
"original" mix. I usually inject 13 units for 90 minutes or,
occasionally 18 units for three hours. Ignatz' comment shows that he is
near the other end of the sensitivity yardstick, injecting 50 to 80
units of a formula stronger than "standard." (I don't recall his
duration on those 80 units though.)
I agree that Kronos' Super Strength (30-1-50) should be doing more than
it does with the 100 unit shot you are using. What does your doc think?
Things to consider before your next Uro visit:
1. What's your sensitivity to other E.D. meds (Viagra, Levitra etc.)?
For example: I'm slow responding but I can work reliably with 10mg of
Levitra or about 50mg of Viagra and at that dose have about a 3 hour
window. My refractory is close to 90 minutes so I seldom achieve
"seconds" with any of the oral meds.
2. Kronos is large enough that you can probably rule out a stale
batch; however, it's been known to happen. There is the possibility of
thermal damage during transport. I think Kronos compounds in Las Vegas
so there's a couple of sorting centers between them and you. What
temperature was the vial when it arrived? If the cold pack was
exhausted there's no guarantee that it didn't cook.
3. Health issues -- circulatory, diabetic, etc.
4. Finally, NE quality --. Unmedicated (no oral med for 24
hours) how are you doing on Nocturnal Erections? If this is a problem
and a regular small dose of Viagra or Levitra doesn't retore them, you
might consider, with your Urologist, a pumping program to regularly
distend your penis with fresh blood. My Urologist relates that most of
his patients, with poor NEs, who have pumped regularly for a year,
reduce their dose of oral meds by 50% and also use less Trimix. If your
Urologist doesn't have an instruction sheet for "pumping" or "VED
therapy" they are available files section of the Yahoo-ASI group.

Finally, how much does that 5ml vial of "Super" cost
including shipping?

[Ignatz's Bricks]

Post by LMac
I just went back and checked the Kronos website. Their "formula 5"
entry is what many users call "standard" Trimix (30-1-10) and is the
starting formula for most users. I inject a mix about 2/3 the strength
of "standard." Mine's 17.65pap-.65phen-5.88pge, similar to Kronos'
"original" mix. I usually inject 13 units for 90 minutes or,
occasionally 18 units for three hours. Ignatz' comment shows that he is
near the other end of the sensitivity yardstick, injecting 50 to 80
units of a formula stronger than "standard." (I don't recall his
duration on those 80 units though.)

Ken states he uses: PG35mcg - PA18mg-PH-0.6
I use, when stated in same ingredient order and units:
Pros 20µg, Papa 30mg, Phen 2.5mg

A dose of between 50 and 80 units gives me about an hours usable time.
If I am the least bit cold or tired, not nearly that much time.
However, I will be rather plump for two to thre additional hours, but
not servicable.

Mixtures with high percent PG (Alprostadil, or PGE, or prostaglandin E)
are the most perishable. My bottle is now three months old and despite
being kept below 40 degrees F, it now requires the dose be adjusted up.

IB

[nanicafrufru]

Post by Ken
I am a new user, one time. The Dr. gave me PG35mcg - PA18mg-PH-0.6 #5
The compunding pharmacy gave me the 1cc syringe. So I tried a 1cc
dosage and did fill, enlarge but still kind of soft. Needed lots
foreplay by wife.
Can you tell me if this is considered a low-medium-high dose. This is a
switch from Edex which I have 40mcg but have taken 60mcg.

[RR]

You should really consult only with your Uro.
Too much and you have a painful problem.
Try to take one of the pills and hour before injection


On 17 Oct 2006 12:02:15 -0700, "nanicafrufru"

Post by Ken
I am a new user, one time. The Dr. gave me PG35mcg - PA18mg-PH-0.6 #5
The compunding pharmacy gave me the 1cc syringe. So I tried a 1cc
dosage and did fill, enlarge but still kind of soft. Needed lots
foreplay by wife.
Can you tell me if this is considered a low-medium-high dose. This is a
switch from Edex which I have 40mcg but have taken 60mcg.

[d***@gmail.com]

What pill are you talking about. Had couple bad experience my penis was hard for 8 hours. Is there something you can take to get it back down. I tried Sudafed but it don't work

[e***@yahoo.com]

Post by Ken
I am a new user, one time. The Dr. gave me PG35mcg - PA18mg-PH-0.6 #5
The compunding pharmacy gave me the 1cc syringe. So I tried a 1cc
dosage and did fill, enlarge but still kind of soft. Needed lots
foreplay by wife.
Can you tell me if this is considered a low-medium-high dose. This is a
switch from Edex which I have 40mcg but have taken 60mcg.

[e***@yahoo.com]

Post by Ken
I am a new user, one time. The Dr. gave me PG35mcg - PA18mg-PH-0.6 #5
The compunding pharmacy gave me the 1cc syringe. So I tried a 1cc
dosage and did fill, enlarge but still kind of soft. Needed lots
foreplay by wife.
Can you tell me if this is considered a low-medium-high dose. This is a
switch from Edex which I have 40mcg but have taken 60mcg.

[m***@gmail.com]

Post by Ken
I am a new user, one time. The Dr. gave me PG35mcg - PA18mg-PH-0.6 #5
The compunding pharmacy gave me the 1cc syringe. So I tried a 1cc
dosage and did fill, enlarge but still kind of soft. Needed lots
foreplay by wife.
Can you tell me if this is considered a low-medium-high dose. This is a
switch from Edex which I have 40mcg but have taken 60mcg.

It's been all over the place for me, a three year user of trimix. I started with the weakest of the different prescriptions offered by my urologist and have now gone all the way up to the 2nd from the strongest. That's two gone and only one to go. This really worries me in that my body seems to adapt to each prescription, and, over time requiring one that's stronger. In terms of finding the dosage that's best for you, only trial and error seems to work, with some adjustments necessary if the prescription has been refrigerated over a couple of weeks.