Frequency of TriMix injections

[r***@cox.net]

I recently started using TriMix after having prostate surgery. After
the surgery I was taking Cialis 3 times a week and using a VED with
minimal results..and what a pain. My uro prescribed TriMix and it is
amazing what it can do. I usually stack it with Cialis with great
results. I also have a prescription for Viagra but haven't tried that
yet. My uro said it was fine to use the TriMix daily for a short
period of time and I have done that while on vacation with good
results.

My question. Has anyone used TriMix injections more than once in 24
hours successfully? I have occasions when once a day is not enough but
I have yet to try injecting twice in the same day. I expect the first
injection will be in the afternoon and the next injection would be late
that same night or early the next morning. I always alternate which
side of the penis I inject. Any information would be greatly
appreciated.

[Jerry Sturdivant]

Post by r***@cox.net
My question. Has anyone used TriMix injections more than
once in 24 hours successfully?

Yes. It was quite a while ago.

Post by r***@cox.net
I have occasions when once a day is not enough but I have
yet to try injecting twice in the same day. I expect the
first injection will be in the afternoon and the next injection
would be late that same night or early the next morning.

I'd say give it a try.


Jerry of ASI

[Jim]

Post by r***@cox.net
My question. Has anyone used TriMix injections more than once in 24
hours successfully? I have occasions when once a day is not enough but
I have yet to try injecting twice in the same day. I expect the first
injection will be in the afternoon and the next injection would be late
that same night or early the next morning. I always alternate which
side of the penis I inject. Any information would be greatly
appreciated.

My urologist said it's okay to do this but 1) not to make a habit of it
and 2) not until _all_ evidence of the previous injection is gone.
Most of us are still somewhat engorged for hours after the full
erection has subsided. Adding more T-mix at this point increases the
risk of priapism. When I've used it during the day, it's a sure thing
I'll have a whole lot of nocturnal erections during that night so some
of it must still be operative. For that reason, I proabably wouldn't
chance another full dose until the next day.

Jim

[CoronaGuzzlr]

Thanks Jim. I really appreciate the information.My erections usually
last a couple hours without any post-erections so I should be fine.

Ron

Post by Jim

Post by r***@cox.net
My question. Has anyone used TriMix injections more than once in 24
hours successfully? I have occasions when once a day is not enough but
I have yet to try injecting twice in the same day. I expect the first
injection will be in the afternoon and the next injection would be late
that same night or early the next morning. I always alternate which
side of the penis I inject. Any information would be greatly
appreciated.

My urologist said it's okay to do this but 1) not to make a habit of it
and 2) not until _all_ evidence of the previous injection is gone.
Most of us are still somewhat engorged for hours after the full
erection has subsided. Adding more T-mix at this point increases the
risk of priapism. When I've used it during the day, it's a sure thing
I'll have a whole lot of nocturnal erections during that night so some
of it must still be operative. For that reason, I proabably wouldn't
chance another full dose until the next day.
Jim

[lmac]

Post by CoronaGuzzlr
Thanks Jim. I really appreciate the information.My erections usually
last a couple hours without any post-erections so I should be fine.
Ron

Post by Jim

Post by r***@cox.net
My question. Has anyone used TriMix injections more than once in 24
hours successfully? I have occasions when once a day is not enough but
I have yet to try injecting twice in the same day. I expect the first
injection will be in the afternoon and the next injection would be late
that same night or early the next morning. I always alternate which
side of the penis I inject. Any information would be greatly
appreciated.

My urologist said it's okay to do this but 1) not to make a habit of it
and 2) not until _all_ evidence of the previous injection is gone.
Most of us are still somewhat engorged for hours after the full
erection has subsided. Adding more T-mix at this point increases the
risk of priapism. When I've used it during the day, it's a sure thing
I'll have a whole lot of nocturnal erections during that night so some
of it must still be operative. For that reason, I proabably wouldn't
chance another full dose until the next day.
Jim

Hi guys,

Discussed related issue with my Urologist yesterday (this was the
patient demo (left side) injection before starting one month of
titration.) During the first month, he's limiting me to one shot a week
to get a good picture of scaring & healing after the four weeks is up.
He wants to examine four distinct sites and an injection log showing
date and amount. (I think we are heading toward site reuse frequency as
a measure, as Jim suggests above.)

After that visit, the doc will set site reuse limits. (This seems to
dovetail with what Jim relates above from his Uro.)

To fill in between shots he suggested continuing Levitra with 1/2 of my
usual dose if it's within 36 hours of an injection (that will be 5mg.)
He placed no limit on how long to wait between injection and the dose of
Levitra; however, he is aware that my refractory is about 6 hours--so
that may have been in the back of his mind. He says to eventually expect
that Levitra will perform faster and have better duration if within a 24
hrs of Trimix (depending on how much Trimix was used.) (Also assumes
that I stay on his VED training schedule).

When I get better at this, I'll try to post some Levitra results.

Still just mastering the needle (left-side shot for a right hander was
awkward!!!) (reminded me of playing the game of twister) My wife (RN)
watched and did quite well to not break into uproarious laughter. Gave
her an exceptionally nice reward when we got home. Gosh I like this stuff.

Terbutaline (5mg) is the prescribed antidote in case I screw up.

...Lmac

[Ignatz's Bricks]

Post by lmac
During the first month, he's limiting me to one shot a week
to get a good picture of scaring & healing after the four weeks is up.

In my humble opinion, (I'm no doctor) the two main causes of scarring
are injecting using too large a needle (I use a 31 gauge, the higher the
number the smaller the size) and injecting while you are hard, or are
wearing a constriction ring. Both of the above allow trimix to leak out
of the corpus cavernosum and be trapped there.

Post by lmac
He wants to examine four distinct sites and an injection log showing
date and amount. (I think we are heading toward site reuse frequency as
a measure, as Jim suggests above.)

It seems all Uro's are different. Mine gave me no limits, other than
once a day.

Post by lmac
(Also assumes
that I stay on his VED training schedule).

Have you seen any benefit from VED exercise? I had good hopes, but it
never seemed to help me.

Post by lmac
When I get better at this, I'll try to post some Levitra results.

Interesting. For me, Viagra works great as a booster if I fail to
inject enough. However Cialis does absolutely nothing to help an
injection, so I was surprised to hear you say that similar acting
Levitra helps. I've never found an affordable source for Levitra and
have only tried it a few times.

Post by lmac
Terbutaline (5mg) is the prescribed antidote in case I screw up.

Huh? Antidote for an asthma attack or for a priapism?

On the one occasion where relatives showed up unexpectedly twenty
minutes after I had injected, a cold shower took it down in well under
one minute. I'd try aiming a cold shower at the small of your back (not
on your pecker) and thinking nasty thoughts before I'd try one of those
pills. LMac, I don't know where you live, but where I live the cold
water temperature is in the mid-50s F. If your area does not have water
that cool, it might not work.

Ignatz's Bricks

[lmac]

Post by Ignatz's Bricks

During the first month, he's limiting me to one shot a week to get a
good picture of scaring & healing after the four weeks is up.

In my humble opinion, (I'm no doctor) the two main causes of scarring
are injecting using too large a needle (I use a 31 gauge, the higher the
number the smaller the size) and injecting while you are hard, or are
wearing a constriction ring. Both of the above allow trimix to leak out
of the corpus cavernosum and be trapped there.

Got another potential cause for scarring here. I've got a "bleeder"
history with this Uro dating back several years. During annual
diagnostic shots I've always had to hold the wipe on the injection site
for a full five minutes.

In the case of this month's two office shots, I bled during & following
intercourse almost 2 hours after the shot--no, it wasn't rough sex.
(Recently I stopped taking Vitamin E and that should help--I was in the
NIH Sel-E trial and had continued those meds even after the NIH
terminated the trial for our segment.)

I've got a lot of faith with this Uro. I've been a patient of his since
1999. He got a prostate/bladder neck problem squared away and I got
very good coaching out of a Viagra problem I'd created for myself.
Being a good 'sheep' I'll follow orders; however, suggestions and
coaching from you and others this group count big--gangbusters!

Post by Ignatz's Bricks

He wants to examine four distinct sites and an injection log showing
date and amount. (I think we are heading toward site reuse frequency
as a measure, as Jim suggests above.)

It seems all Uro's are different. Mine gave me no limits, other than
once a day.

The weekly bit is only for the titration period up to the scar check.
(This will be the first 'shortarm' inspection I've had to stand in
almost 50 years--shades of being a Seaman duce.)

The Group's injection handout suggests up to 3 injections per week if
unscared sites are available. His personal coaching to me is to
eventually alternate injections and Levitra.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks

(Also assumes that I stay on his VED training schedule).

Have you seen any benefit from VED exercise? I had good hopes, but it
never seemed to help me.

I think so. Morning tent poles have re-appeared on a regular basis.
NEs are harder to assess as I'm not usually aware of them until the
fourth or subsequent REM cycle and my sleep schedule for the last two
weeks has been pretty well chewed up. The Levitra response seems a bit
quicker--however 'L' is a very 'quiet' drug for me with few/no side
effects. (In contrast, Viagra has a bit of a 'brass band' effect in my
body and I can do SEs on Viagra if I haven't taken it in a while.)
Psychologically, I've been better off not using Viagra.

I'm pretty suggestible so we may have a placebo effect here. I'm not
looking at VED to make a big change in erectile performance--rather, to
arrest an alarming loss of erect length. Jim initially suggested VED
for length loss and the Uro not only agreed but gave me a four page
handout of instructions. I go with Jim's training schedule (timewise)
and abide by the low pressures that the Uro suggests (3-5"hg vice
5-6"hg). I get a gentle stretch at 3"hg. Possibly characteristic of
age -- over 70.

My main complaint at this year's checkup was loss of nearly 3/4 inch in
erect length in the last 18 months. Overall I've lost over 2 inches
since age 20 and that's significantly more than the stats for the
average bear. Uro feels that this is probably the result of fibrous
formation due to poor NEs and that VED therapy, over several years, will
help arrest fibrous formation. The improved Levitra sensitivity is just
a bonus. He suggests that I may probably drop from 10mg down to 5mg of
Levitra once I start injecting regularly.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks

When I get better at this, I'll try to post some Levitra results.

Interesting. For me, Viagra works great as a booster if I fail to
inject enough. However Cialis does absolutely nothing to help an
injection, so I was surprised to hear you say that similar acting
Levitra helps. I've never found an affordable source for Levitra and
have only tried it a few times.

No, the Uro's experience is that the response to Levitra dosing improves
in patients that inject occasionally and also follow a VED training
sked. Thanks for tip regarding Viagra stacked on a small injection.
Sounds like a good use for the few tabs of Viagra that were left over
when I made the switch to 'L.' I'll keep some handy on the day I do the
'lowest' possible dose on the titration schedule.

Uro has discussed stacking once I'm titrated on Trimix and do a separate
build up for the stacking but that's not for now. Stacking's different
from what we're talking about here.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks

Terbutaline (5mg) is the prescribed antidote in case I screw up.

Huh? Antidote for an asthma attack or for a priapism?

I'd never heard of it before and found the same thing on Google. A
friend took it's sister drug -- Brethine -- very powerful effect on
Asthma and allergies. Terbutaline does have an interesting off-label
use--arrests pre-mature labor during problem pregnancies. Not sure what
that has to do with priapism--and don't care. Will swallow the pill if
need-be.

Anyway, this doc and the three other Uros in that group endorse this
off-label use. No clue as to how they arrived at Terbutaline as their
drug of choice. Their specifics direct one 5mg pill at the decision
point (in writing, that's 2 hours--informally, 2+45 or 3 hours if you've
got a fast car.) Next, cold shower on the base of the spine--same as
your suggestion. If no response, call the ER/Urgent Care and take the
second 5mg tab in the car. Wallet card provides instruction to the
ER/Urgent Care folks. (What that card says is enough to scare the pants
off Saint Peter!)

My first full office injection (20 units, formula unknown) was in early
June. Intercourse at the 2 hour point (about 2+20 after the injection)
had no effect. I didn't have either Sudafed or Terbutaline in the house
so swallowed a dose of Benadryl at about 2+45. I was flaccid in about
30 more minutes. Doc's opinion was that the Benadryl wasn't much of a
factor other than generally relaxing my bod. Guess is that 2+45 was my
normal response to 20 units.

My second office injection was Monday--15 units with a full 2 hour
response then quick return to limp. I had no rebound after that dose--I
hadn't had any Levitra since the prior Friday morning. I suspect that
the mix I'll start titrating with tomorrow is about 2/3 the strength of
the stuff at the office. Will start off at 15 units and work from there.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
On the one occasion where relatives showed up unexpectedly twenty
minutes after I had injected, a cold shower took it down in well under
one minute. I'd try aiming a cold shower at the small of your back (not
on your pecker) and thinking nasty thoughts before I'd try one of those
pills. LMac, I don't know where you live, but where I live the cold
water temperature is in the mid-50s F. If your area does not have water
that cool, it might not work.

Right now the cold tap turns out 70 deg. We don't see anything like 50
till the dead of winter when there's frost on the grass at the Olympic
Training Center.

Thanks again for the tip on Viagra as a booster for a small injection.

[Ignatz's Bricks]

. . . . . I'm not
looking at VED to make a big change in erectile performance--rather, to
arrest an alarming loss of erect length.

Getting nocturnal erections will help in the length department. I've
found that a quarter tablet of Josh's Cialis works wonders in regaining
lost length.

Next, cold shower on the base of the spine--same as
your suggestion.

Oh, this reminded me of a funny. A cold shower brings it down, and a
warm one brings it up after injecting. We had this unexpectdely happen
on two occasions after we both had cleaned up, then one Saturday AM when
I went to take a shower, my wife asked, "Shall I just wait in bed?"

See if a warm shower after you have ejaculated and collapsed cures your
6 hour refractory time . . . .

My first full office injection (20 units, formula unknown) . . .
. . . . . . I suspect that
the mix I'll start titrating with tomorrow is about 2/3 the strength of
the stuff at the office. Will start off at 15 units and work from there.

Most states require pharmacies to label the strength on the bottle. It
will be interesting to know the strength.

Good luck!

IB

[lmac]

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
Oh, this reminded me of a funny. A cold shower brings it down, and a
warm one brings it up after injecting. We had this unexpectdely happen
on two occasions after we both had cleaned up, then one Saturday AM when
I went to take a shower, my wife asked, "Shall I just wait in bed?"
See if a warm shower after you have ejaculated and collapsed cures your
6 hour refractory time . . . .

Should have read this post about five hours ago. Short answer: YES.

And, injecting in the home environment is different than in the office
as Jerry notes in his FAQ post.

I'd read Jerry's FAQ several months ago but it should be mandatory
reading several hours before that first injection at home. Conditions:
no Levitra since last Saturday. Injection in doctor's office on Monday.
sex afterward. VED training this morning before leaving for job.
Today's Thursday very hot weather, I wasn't overly horny:

Time 0+00: 20 units of "2/3 strength" Trimix. Wife, an RN, offered
some 'words' regarding my sterile technique. I maintained a good clamp
on wipe for full 5 minutes. Stinging at injection site for first 5
minutes. Distinct dull pain near base of Penis between starting about
minute 8,

Time 0+10: Fair 80% chubby. Stood and walked around for 3-4 min.
Developed to 85%. (not quite as good as from office injection.) Dull
pain vanished.

Time 0+15: Good foreplay--bride had good orgasms. I'm very nicely
relaxed, non-anxious, fully confident -- All it's supposed to be!
Trimix--good stuff. Small build in erection to 90%. Thinking: should
have done this 5 years ago and bypassed pills altogether.

Time 0+50: Try for simultaneous. Made it. Ejaculation. Down to about
80% definitely not penetrable. Mild disappointment. Kid around in the
sack for another 10 minutes. Then, off to the shower. Decided that
this "2/3 strength stuff might be a bit on the mild side." We'll use
25 units next time.

Time 1+05
Hadn't read I.B.'s post about warm showers. Warm shower -- whoops solid
95%! No real help here. Wife has lost interest--minor complaint about
irritation. She's had enough for today. There is refractory! Looks
like about 15 minutes. (Somewhat better than 6 hours. |:-)

Time 1+45
Solid 95%. Hmmm, same result as from the office shot. First mug of
black coffee.

Time 2+15
OK, swallow the pill. One 5 mg Terbutline down the hatch with plenty of
water. Off to the cold shower. Another mug of black coffee. Cold
shower on the base of the spine. That seems to work. Out of the
shower. Another mug of coffee & plenty of drinking water. Pee stop.

Time 2+45
Second cold shower. Second terbutline. Read Jerry's FAQ file--started
the "dick squeezing effort." Seems to be helping. Mention to wife that
20 units may have been a bit much of this new stuff. Maybe we should
try 15 next week. Wife (RN) says, "I've got a lot of experience in drug
titration--stick with 20 units." (At that point my 'bride' of lotsa
years was liking Trimix a whole bunch more that was I liking it.)

Decided to take dog for afternoon walk through the local park. Pee stop
before leaving. Put on a snug jock to not scare other animals and small
children. Easy, very open breathing during the walk. Terbutaline was
doing it's anti-asthma job.

Time 3+15
Back from walking dog. Still 85-90%. Damn thing is still quite
penetrable. This thing is a 'hardwood' erection. Very firm and
unbendable. Considered temptation of jack off and get some more
prolactin in the system. Then, decided that might not be a good move
since it would make for more stimulation. Out of jock to hang loose.
Passed 'cold dick test' Back to cold shower. More dick squeezes--those
+ cold shower help again. Out of the shower. Find a Benadryl, get it
out of the 'childproof' blister and swallow it. (This is the med that
the doc said wouldn't help.) Still passing the 'cold dick test.' More
dick squeezing while watching, HGTV channel on TV -- good stuff on
'formal flower beds.'

Time 3+45
Clockwatching! (I knew where the car keys & I.D. were.) Finally, at
3+56, falling to flaccid. Made it in under four hours! Total antidote
was six Navy-size mugs of black coffee, 10 mg of Terbutaline, a
Benadryl, a walk to park with dog, two cold showers and a lot of firm
dick squeezing.

Conclusion: I don't have a venous leak problem at this point in my
life--have to blame something else.

Sitting here with my bride on my second glass of wine. Fell asleep and
feel a little groggy from the pills.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
Most states require pharmacies to label the strength on the bottle. It
will be interesting to know the strength.

Label says: PAP 17.65 mg/ml PHE 0.65 mg/ml ALP 5.88 mcg/ml

Good news: Good pressure on the wipe preventing bleeding during sex.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
Good luck!
IB

Next week: 10 units. Half of today's dose.

Everyone enjoy. and have a great 4th of July. C'ya

[Muerta]

Post by lmac
Next week: 10 units. Half of today's dose.
Everyone enjoy. and have a great 4th of July. C'ya
--
...Lmac

Big golf clap, Lmac.

As you've found out, it's *so* good to be back in the game.

[Ignatz's Bricks]

Time 0+00: 20 units of "2/3 strength" Trimix. . . .
Stinging at injection site for first 5
minutes. Distinct dull pain near base of Penis between starting about
minute 8,
Time 0+10: Fair 80% chubby. Stood and walked around for 3-4 min.
Developed to 85%. (not quite as good as from office injection.) Dull
pain vanished.
Time 0+15: Good foreplay--bride had good orgasms. I'm very nicely
relaxed, non-anxious, fully confident -- All it's supposed to be!
Trimix--good stuff. Small build in erection to 90%. Thinking: should
have done this 5 years ago and bypassed pills altogether.
Time 0+50: Try for simultaneous. Made it. Ejaculation. Down to about
80% definitely not penetrable. Mild disappointment. Kid around in the
sack for another 10 minutes. Then, off to the shower. Decided that
this "2/3 strength stuff might be a bit on the mild side." We'll use
25 units next time.
Time 1+05
Hadn't read I.B.'s post about warm showers. Warm shower -- whoops solid
95%! No real help here. Wife has lost interest--minor complaint about
irritation. She's had enough for today.

Since your wife probably has gotten out of practice for long sessions,
I'd suggest that you get and keep some KY ready at least until she gets
back in practice.

There is refractory! Looks
like about 15 minutes. (Somewhat better than 6 hours. |:-)
Time 1+45
Solid 95%. Hmmm, same result as from the office shot. First mug of
black coffee.

That should be cold coffee. Anything warm or hot can be a problem.

Time 2+15
OK, swallow the pill. One 5 mg Terbutline down the hatch with plenty of
water. Off to the cold shower. Another mug of black coffee. Cold
shower on the base of the spine. That seems to work. Out of the
shower. Another mug of coffee & plenty of drinking water. Pee stop.
Time 2+45
Second cold shower. Second terbutline. Read Jerry's FAQ file--started
the "dick squeezing effort." Seems to be helping. Mention to wife that
20 units may have been a bit much of this new stuff. Maybe we should
try 15 next week. Wife (RN) says, "I've got a lot of experience in drug
titration--stick with 20 units." (At that point my 'bride' of lotsa
years was liking Trimix a whole bunch more that was I liking it.)

I'd guess that your 10 units won't be enough. My guess is after three
or for injections you optimize at between 15 and 20.

Decided to take dog for afternoon walk through the local park. Pee stop
before leaving.

Dress lightly, you don't want to get warm. Anything that gets you warm
can bring it back up.

Put on a snug jock to not scare other animals and small
children. Easy, very open breathing during the walk. Terbutaline was
doing it's anti-asthma job.
Time 3+15
Back from walking dog. Still 85-90%. Damn thing is still quite
penetrable. This thing is a 'hardwood' erection. Very firm and
unbendable. Considered temptation of jack off and get some more
prolactin in the system.

I would have recommended ejaculation by any means at hand.

Then, decided that might not be a good move
since it would make for more stimulation. Out of jock to hang loose.
Passed 'cold dick test'

As long is your pecker is not cold, you are probably getting enough
blood flow that you are not hurting it. I feel that Jerry's
recommended squeezes, while causing some needed blood flow also gives
you unneeded stimulation.

Back to cold shower. More dick squeezes--those
+ cold shower help again. Out of the shower. Find a Benadryl, get it
out of the 'childproof' blister and swallow it. (This is the med that
the doc said wouldn't help.) Still passing the 'cold dick test.' More
dick squeezing while watching, HGTV channel on TV -- good stuff on
'formal flower beds.'
Time 3+45
Clockwatching! (I knew where the car keys & I.D. were.) Finally, at
3+56, falling to flaccid. Made it in under four hours! Total antidote
was six Navy-size mugs of black coffee, 10 mg of Terbutaline, a
Benadryl, a walk to park with dog, two cold showers and a lot of firm
dick squeezing.

Next time, if there is a next time, make that COLD coffee.

Since your cold water is not really cold, I'd make sure I had an ice
pack and some ice handy before I injected next time. Lacking an ice
pack, just roll some crushed ice in a towel and park it on your lower back.

Conclusion: I don't have a venous leak problem at this point in my
life--have to blame something else.
Sitting here with my bride on my second glass of wine. Fell asleep and
feel a little groggy from the pills.

I'd stay away from anything that relaxes you, until your good buddy
collapses.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
Most states require pharmacies to label the strength on the bottle.
It will be interesting to know the strength.

Label says: PAP 1 7.65 mg/ml PHE 0.65 mg/ml ALP 5.88 mcg/ml

Average Trimix: PAP 15.0 mG / PHE 1.0 mG / ALP or PRO 10 µG
My mixture is: PAPA 30.0 mG / PHEN 2.0 mG / PROS 20 µG
I've lost 20 lbs in the past year and in general have gotten more
healthy and find that my dose has dropped to 50 units. At one time my
normal one hour dose was close to the one that gave Jerry his seven hour
boner.

For that:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.impotence/msg/c53d363004f6153d


By the way, some of the younger Trimix users will think I'm exaggerating
on the temperature thing. Temperature seems to bring more erectile
help as we age. (I'm 66.)

LMac, since you respond so well to Trimix, you might be a good candidate
for Bimix. It costs less and can be less painful. You might mention
that to your uro on your next visit.

Ignatz's Bricks

[lmac]

Absolutely great tips. I feel more comfortable managing priapism. Any
one of your tips might have turned the tide earlier. I was doing more
wrongs that rights. I'll go with the 15 units on Monday.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
Since your wife probably has gotten out of practice for long sessions,
I'd suggest that you get and keep some KY ready at least until she gets
back in practice.

Yup--basic Geratric Sex rule #2. We know the basics but failed to pause
for re-lube. We use combinations of Astroglide (local product) and K-Y
(both liquid and jelly). Both of us will also try hand moisturizers or
massage oils. Years back we could exploit some static electricity
effects when our skin was dry. Those effects vanished in our 50s but
we've continued to ignore dry skin before an encounter. Another big
plus, Trimix allows time for massage. Lotions and oils will help.
Whole new world!

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
That should be cold coffee. Anything warm or hot can be a problem.

Great tip! Iced coffee decanter goes in the frig tonight!

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
I'd guess that your 10 units won't be enough. My guess is after three
or for injections you optimize at between 15 and 20.

Thanks. 15 units it will be.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
Dress lightly, you don't want to get warm. Anything that gets you warm
can bring it back up.

You're right. OAT was around 81 deg. I could feel myself getting
harder as I moved along. Backyard pool cool. I'd have been better off
jumping in there.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
I would have recommended ejaculation by any means at hand.

That goes in my data bank of tips -- didn't believe I'd cum since I'm
used to hours of refractory. Looks like I might have since I was hard
within 15 minutes. Will try that next time. Mental attitude has to
change--I've fallen into a habit of 'saving them.'

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
As long is your pecker is not cold, you are probably getting enough
blood flow that you are not hurting it. I feel that Jerry's
recommended squeezes, while causing some needed blood flow also gives
you unneeded stimulation.

A few times it was below skin temp. Didn't try the ice cube test.
Would that have been worthwhile?

The squeezes were really a desperation maneuver. And, I'm not convinced
that it helped. At that point I was all girth and little length. No
prior experience with priapism. My impression was that this was a
complete 'hydraulic lock.' I could feel the 'dick squeeze' all the way
back to the prostate. When it finally collapsed I was within a couple
of minutes of grabbing my keys and a cellphone for the drive to the ER.
The 'collapse' happened very quickly, when I was distracted by TV. It
was a sudden 'gush.' Only a couple of seconds from start to finish.
Strange feeling.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
Next time, if there is a next time, make that COLD coffee.
Since your cold water is not really cold, I'd make sure I had an ice
pack and some ice handy before I injected next time. Lacking an ice
pack, just roll some crushed ice in a towel and park it on your lower back.

The irony of this is that there were several ice packs in the 'beer box'
freezer of the beer box--small, medium and large.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
I'd stay away from anything that relaxes you, until your good buddy
collapses.

Understand. The vino was a couple of hours after the collapse -- Hmmm,
we both use the same word -- sounds like you've been in this situation
before.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
I've lost 20 lbs in the past year and in general have gotten more
healthy and find that my dose has dropped to 50 units. At one time my
normal one hour dose was close to the one that gave Jerry his seven hour
boner.

Yeah, roger that. Screwed up a knee a couple of months ago. Had my
first conversation with an Orthopedic surgeon two days ago. He pointed
out how many millimeters of spacing I've got in my knees. Offered
options to still be walking by age 80. One of those is loosing at least
20 lbs. and have 'Oxford' implants in 5 years. Don't loose the weight
and plan on the implants in 2007 or 2008. Uro likes that too since 'T'
isn't where he'd like it and I'm probably generating more than my fair
share of estrogens. I'm 203 right now and 25 pounds would put me at the
right Body Mass Index.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
By the way, some of the younger Trimix users will think I'm exaggerating
on the temperature thing. Temperature seems to bring more erectile
help as we age. (I'm 66.)

72 here -- hit the E.D. wall at age 67. Question -- how frequently do
Trimix users flirt with priapism. I'm still considering that it was a
dumbshit; however, your tone here tells me that this is something that
mature guys might manage on a regular basis.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
LMac, since you respond so well to Trimix, you might be a good

candidate

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
for Bimix. It costs less and can be less painful. You might mention
that to your uro on your next visit.

Right now the pain is so mild it's not a problem--just a signal that
something's working. So far, all three injections have been near the
pubic base with 29 gauge x 1/2 inch 'complimentary' syringes. I was
quite flaccid in the Uro's office. Yesterday I had an anticipation
chubby that I had to 'think-down' before injecting. Jim has suggested
Monoject lubed 8mm x 31's and I'd like to go with 0.3 cc syringes with
more precise markings when I'm sure I can get by with < 0.25cc . I feel
a local mild sting for the first five minutes while pressing on the
wipe. Then a mild, 'dull' pain (almost a dull burn) that moves downward
and inward toward the pelvic floor. It vanishes in a couple of minutes.
After that it's all pleasure.

Monday will be half-way up the shaft so the sensation might be
different. The bleeding problem was non-existent yesterday. I'm gonna
guess that good lubing will be more important on the mid-shaft shots.
Dropping Vitamin E was a good move. I agree tht the Uro's scaring
concern is overly conservative and am going to move to a twice a week
routine to really nail down how this is working for me.

The main problem on Trimix has been where my 'plateau' occurs. Right
now my first-hour quality is about the same as I get with Levitra. The
good stuff happens during the second hour. My first priority for the Uro
is better first-hour performance without increasing the priapism risk
(unless I learn to manage it simply, quickly and reliably. You've given
me some great tools here. I just don't know how many guys live on the
edge with priapism. I'll ask that of the Uro and see if it's wise to
get comfortable with taking that trip to the ER.)

Thanks again. Have a great fourth.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
Ignatz's Bricks

[Ignatz's Bricks]

. . . . I feel more comfortable managing priapism. . . .
I was doing more wrongs that rights.

After having to kill an erection after 20 minutes to be socially
acceptable, I did some tests on getting it down quickly, if needed.

Both of us will also try hand moisturizers or
massage oils. . . . . Lotions and oils will help. Whole
new world!

Watch out for vegetable oils. They make a good bacteria culture medium
in your wife, and you too, if you are uncircumcised.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
I'd guess that your 10 units won't be enough. My guess is after
three or for injections you optimize at between 15 and 20.

Thanks. 15 units it will be.

No, that was not a recommendation to do next test at 15 units. I'd do
the next test at 10. It might work, although it probably will not.

A few times it was below skin temp. Didn't try the ice cube test. Would
that have been worthwhile?

I never heard of that test.

The squeezes were really a desperation maneuver. And, I'm not convinced
that it helped. At that point I was all girth and little length. No
prior experience with priapism. My impression was that this was a
complete 'hydraulic lock.' I could feel the 'dick squeeze' all the way
back to the prostate. When it finally collapsed I was within a couple
of minutes of grabbing my keys and a cellphone for the drive to the ER.
The 'collapse' happened very quickly, when I was distracted by TV. It
was a sudden 'gush.' Only a couple of seconds from start to finish.
Strange feeling.

I assume that you have been tested for sickle cell anemia?

The sudden collapse that you describe can happen with that disease, but
it also may be normal for some people. I'd say that most people go
down gradually. I normally dose for penetration strength starting a
half hour after injection and lasting a half hour to an hour. I'll
probably be 3/4 full erect width and length for another 2 to 4 hours,
but no longer can get it hard enough to do anything with. Any comment
here from other injectors on the sudden collapse? Jerry?

We are all different on how the chemicals affect us.

IB

[lmac]

Ignatz's Bricks wrote:

We're ok on not getting massage oil near the vital parts. I'm circed
and the RN (surgical specialty) has taught me to be a cleanliness freak.

Over our 40+ years, I've presented her with both a bacterial and a
fungal infection. Even a hint of athlete's foot is enough to raise the
alarm and we get very careful.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
No, that was not a recommendation to do next test at 15 units. I'd do
the next test at 10. It might work, although it probably will not.

Am passing all injection quantity suggestions to the resident RN. She
is now the keeper of the 'keys to the Trimix locker.' Claims to be
educated and experienced in titration and says my sterile technique is
poor (she used a more definitive word). (Perhaps she likes the control
aspect as well ||;-) I'm right handed so she gets to do all left side
shots. I get to punch the holes in the starboard side of my dick;
however, the current 'contract' calls for her to keep the syringe until
the last moment. I get to grade the quality of all shots whether port
or starboard.
A few times it was below skin temp. Didn't try the ice cube test.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks

Post by lmac
Would that have been worthwhile?

I never heard of that test.

That was buried in Jerry's FAQ on priapism. -- put ice cubes on it, cool
it, then see if it warms back up--.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
I assume that you have been tested for sickle cell anemia?
The sudden collapse that you describe can happen with that disease, but
it also may be normal for some people. I'd say that most people go
down gradually. I normally dose for penetration strength starting a
half hour after injection and lasting a half hour to an hour. I'll
probably be 3/4 full erect width and length for another 2 to 4 hours,
but no longer can get it hard enough to do anything with. Any comment
here from other injectors on the sudden collapse? Jerry?

I usually go down very gradually in maybe 10 or 15 seconds. This was
different--it was a fast 'collapse' -- a gush about as quick as flushing
the toilet -- very unusual feeling as it shrunk. Ran a routine VED
exercise this morning followed by a short sex session using 5mg of
Levitra. All worked as before so no damage was done. I'm more loosely
'hung' though than before I played the priapism game--usually I'm much
more compact than the average guy--no great shakes around the locker
room. Now I almost look 'average.'

Hmmm, sickle cell: As far as I know my bloodline is mostly German with
a mild seasoning of Alsatian, a bunch of Scot, bit of Welsh and just a
tad of American Indian -- no Mediterranean or African that I know of.
However, my GreatGrandad was a 'traveling guy' named John Outlaw who was
tried and hanged, all in one afternoon, for horse thievery in Missouri
about 1840. His mom was a half-breed Cherokee so there might have been
some other stuff in his lineage--that guy was definitely not of a noble
bloodline!

If you're thinking about an O2 deficiency, that's a possibility. I've
got an atrial shunt (hole in the heart that bypasses some blood around
the lungs --same thing that took out Arial Sharon). Additionally, a
recent CBC showed my red cell count at 39.9 (40 is the min.) So my
ability to carry oxygen is a bit compromised right now -- eating a lot
of beets on my greens but am avoiding an artificial iron supplement.
Years ago, probably in my 20's, my risk-taking subconscious found it
could drive me a bit hypoxic and heighten orgasm by slowing and halting
breathing. I consciously caught myself doing this at about age 40. At
the time, my doc said that this isn't 'normal' but it is present in a
fair number of both males and females. It's a difficult habit to break
and breathing normally during sex is something I do check for--unless I
crave that little extra.

If we're looking at oxygenation as an important factor in taking down an
erection, 'breathing normally' might be something to add to the
checklist. I haven't a clue as to what I was doing Thursday.

'++++++++++++++++++++++++
Now, my 64 dollar question:

Is priapism to be feared and avoided or is it something that many mature
males just manage in the course of everyday life?

And, you have permission to say, "yea cats Lmac, where have you been all
your life?"

When you publish your book on 'Priapism Management,' I might be in line
for one of the early autographed copies. (:-)

I think I've now played the 'P' game once. Even through I screwed u the
recovery a half-dozen ways I dodged any bullet. I can handle this. On
the other hand, what was that 'gush' when it went down--and, will my
next 'gush' be my last?

'++++++++++++++++++++++++

My Uro will get the same question because he wrote the Terbutaline
script for 10 pills with 2 refills, expiring in June of '07. That's
enough for an 'incident' every month with a half dozen extras for a
couple of major holidays and an orgy. Looks like a license to commit
Priapism.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
We are all different on how the chemicals affect us.
IB

[Ignatz's Bricks]

Post by lmac

Post by lmac
A few times it was below skin temp. Didn't try the ice cube test.
Would that have been worthwhile?

That was buried in Jerry's FAQ on priapism. -- put ice cubes on it, cool
it, then see if it warms back up--.

That test is a diagnosis of whether or not you have enough blood flow in
your penis blood to keep your penis healthy. When you have a priapism,
I'd first attempt to get it down, then you have a definite answer. If
you are well under your time limit, doing this test does no harm and can
relieve your worries.

Post by lmac

Post by lmac
I assume that you have been tested for sickle cell anemia?

Hmmm, sickle cell: As far as I know my bloodline is mostly German with
a mild seasoning of Alsatian, a bunch of Scot, bit of Welsh and just a
tad of American Indian -- no Mediterranean or African that I know of.

Sickle cell is not unique to people of African descent, they just seem
to have it the most. Check this with your RN wife.

Post by lmac
Additionally, a
recent CBC showed my red cell count at 39.9 (40 is the min.) So my
ability to carry oxygen is a bit compromised right now -- eating a lot
of beets on my greens but am avoiding an artificial iron supplement.

7 years ago, I was diagnosed with anemia, but the cause was never been
determined. It mostly cured itself and is being managed by a CBC every
4 months and the adjusting Iron supplements (usually 27 mg daily) to
keep my hematocrit in mid-range. This has brought my red cell count up
to mid-range.

How is your hematocrit?

Post by lmac
'++++++++++++++++++++++++
Is priapism to be feared and avoided or is it something that many mature
males just manage in the course of everyday life?

Let me reword for claity a sentence that I wrote in a previous message.
I intended to say:
"I have never had a priapism, but after having to kill an erection 20
minutes after injection to be socially acceptable, I did some tests on
getting it down quickly, if I ever needed to do it again."

The results of those tests are what I was writing to you about.

Post by lmac
I think I've now played the 'P' game once. Even through I screwed up the
recovery a half-dozen ways I dodged any bullet. I can handle this. On
the other hand, what was that 'gush' when it went down--and, will my
next 'gush' be my last?

The "gush" was the part that I don't understand and that worried me a
bit. When your blood pressure in your penis reaches a certain point,
the pressure itself helps close the exit path. This is how you get an
erection. I'd say that the smooth muscle's relaxing and letting the
blood exit again is usually not a 'gusher'. This is something that you
should discuss with your Uro.

Just remember, cool the lower back first, and then keep the whole body
cool. Your swimming pool idea was a good one. Initially, I would
avoid cooling the penis, and cooling it would only be used as a last
resort if I were unable to get to a hospital. Keep a cool head and a
little common sense and a priapism probably won't happen.

Ignatz's Bricks

[Ignatz's Bricks]

Post by lmac
So far, all three injections have been near the
pubic base

I find injections midway between the tip and base seem to work best.
Injections near the base are not as effective. We all are different on
the best point to inject so you must test for yourself.

Post by lmac
with 29 gauge x 1/2 inch 'complimentary' syringes.

Ouch! You are a glutton for punishment!

I'd be bleeding like a stuck hawg with a huge needle like that!

I use the 1 cc BD Ultra-Fine II 31 gauge insulin needle which is 5/16
inch or 8 mm long.

http://www.bddiabetes.com/us/product/ultrafine_shortneedle.asp

With a needle that short, you just ram it in to the hilt and don't have
to worry about going in too deep.

I use the 1 cc needle, but for a dose the size you need, the 3/10cc (30
unit) should work fine. That needle is marked in half units and makes
exact dosage easier to read.

The only down side of the 31 gauge needle is that it takes about 10
seconds longer to draw the Trimix from the bottle. If you are worried
about the smaller needle breaking of in you, just try breaking a used
needle. They are much more robust than they look.

Ignatz's Bricks

[lmac]

Post by Ignatz's Bricks

So far, all three injections have been near the pubic base

I find injections midway between the tip and base seem to work best.
Injections near the base are not as effective. We all are different on
the best point to inject so you must test for yourself.

Will look forward to that- next one is -testing is fun. The
base/root-end injections have all provided a 'bull-like' erection deep
in the pelvis that's like what I got 30 years ago. Hard from the 'fudge
hole' right on out. Never got that feeling on Viagra or Levitra. For
the first hour, the shaft and glans are not much different than what
Levitra supports. During the second hour the whole show is somewhat
better than when on Levitra. Trimix really reduces the P.E. hazard.
Uro believes that soft erections contribute to P.E. I'd sacrifice a
bit of that pelvic bulk for a harder glans.

Had sex using Levitra this morning and had a regular need for
re-stimulation (I was dropping from my usual 85% down to about 75% then
needing a little nudge to get penetrable). Didn't even need to think
about it or keep track when Trimix was the platform. The P.E. hazard
was present as it used to be and that required some management even
though we weren't going for any records. (Gotta remember that Seniors
should always just be thankful and that records are left to the younger
set.)

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
http://www.bddiabetes.com/us/product/ultrafine_shortneedle.asp

thanks for the link.

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
Ignatz's Bricks

[Jim]

...Will look forward to that- next one is -testing is fun. The
base/root-end injections have all provided a 'bull-like' erection deep
in the pelvis that's like what I got 30 years ago. Hard from the 'fudge
hole' right on out. Never got that feeling on Viagra or Levitra. For
the first hour, the shaft and glans are not much different than what
Levitra supports. During the second hour the whole show is somewhat
better than when on Levitra. .
--
...Lmac

The cavernosal chambers into which we inject are connected - two
interlocked tubes, if you will. They also extend inside our bodies
beyond the pubic bone. Injecting anywhere along the shaft, top or
bottom, will usually give the same result because the medications
disperse within the chambers. Interestingly, it's kind of like that
Las Vegas commercial? "What happens in Las Vegas stays there." The
Tri Bi or Caverject does not disperse throughout the body; it stays in
the chambers until metabolized out.

What you are experiencing probably (bull-like) is the filling of the
interial portion of the chambers with blood in a more effective way
than the pills sometimes do. This is a good thing because that portion
of the shaft provides the "anchor" for a stiffy, so it doesn't flop
sideways. I've found that I can inject right under the glans into the
circumcision scar and have a very good and painless response. If I do
this on the left it is painless. Stings on the right.

I don't know why you would get the strongest erection well into your
course of T-mix. I'd be curious if your doctor has any ideas about
why this is.

JIm

[lmac]

Post by Jim

...Will look forward to that- next one is -testing is fun. The
base/root-end injections have all provided a 'bull-like' erection deep
in the pelvis that's like what I got 30 years ago. Hard from the 'fudge
hole' right on out. Never got that feeling on Viagra or Levitra. For
the first hour, the shaft and glans are not much different than what
Levitra supports. During the second hour the whole show is somewhat
better than when on Levitra. .
--
...Lmac

The cavernosal chambers into which we inject are connected - two
interlocked tubes, if you will. They also extend inside our bodies
beyond the pubic bone. Injecting anywhere along the shaft, top or
bottom, will usually give the same result because the medications
disperse within the chambers. Interestingly, it's kind of like that
Las Vegas commercial? "What happens in Las Vegas stays there." The
Tri Bi or Caverject does not disperse throughout the body; it stays in
the chambers until metabolized out.
What you are experiencing probably (bull-like) is the filling of the
interial portion of the chambers with blood in a more effective way
than the pills sometimes do. This is a good thing because that portion
of the shaft provides the "anchor" for a stiffy, so it doesn't flop
sideways. I've found that I can inject right under the glans into the
circumcision scar and have a very good and painless response. If I do
this on the left it is painless. Stings on the right.
I don't know why you would get the strongest erection well into your
course of T-mix. I'd be curious if your doctor has any ideas about
why this is.
JIm

Thanks Jim,

Will have this on the list for the Uro at the end of the month. After
the Thursday panic (and doing most things wrong), I.B. 'nudged' me to do
some reading up on priapism --I probably wasn't anywhere near 'P' since
I had no pain--was just 'baseball hard' (glans and thin skin on the
shaft was the only stuff that was pliable.)

During the reading, the thing that caught my eye was the behavior of
cells and platelets in the penis in the absence of oxygen. I've got a
hunch that my Plavix+Aspirin combo (which yields very thin and very
slippery blood) may be a part of my slow response and may be the basis
of the hour #2 build. When my venous drainage stops it really stops --
just seems to take a while to get there. (I can recall very rapid rapid
venous 'lock-ups' during my teens and twenty's--going from chubby to
105% [mildly painful] in a matter of maybe 3 seconds.) During the last
year on Viagra--when I began to have trouble with it, I was also taking
a heavy dose of Vitamin E -- even more blood thinning.

Biggest Tmix issue will be how I respond in the 10 to 18 unit range
(where Ignatz feels I'll wind up) and what formula changes might be
needed (with, JOY!, a new titration -- however once we get through the
scar inspection, that will go fast).

Other questions will clarify his Levitra+Tmix combo instructions. I'd
like something like washing out most of the PDE5 with a before dinner
'prep' dose, say 5mg of Levitra and then hitting Willy with something
like 5 units of Tmix for a quicker start. This is probably something
that would work better for Cialis users.

The other question will be using 'V' to extend a waning Tmix
injection--something that's not needed with a 20 unit dose but might
come in hand.

Got any more sceanarios I might toss into the hat?

Visit will be at the end of July. Five more Tmix shots before that. (He
wanted four target spots--he'll get six.)

I'm really enthusiastic about this stuff. Ready in about 20 minutes
(about twice I.B.'s response time). Refractory is only 15 minutes
instead of several hours on the pills. Negligible injection pain, no
observable side effects up front (sinus, skin flush etc.) and no
hamstring hangover.

Now that I reflect back, my E.D. adventures really started once I was
established on Aspirin and went into the SELE-E trial (NIH's prostate
cancer prevention study of high doses of Selenium and Vitamin-E -- I was
in the segment that was getting real Vitamin E but placebo Selenium.) I
had always thought that Saw Palmetto was involved in the E.D. but, blood
thinning may have been a major factor. I've not seen this ever
mentioned as an E.D. risk factor--our cardiologists would probably have
a fit! Opportunity for some young, inspired student to gather some data
and write a Master's paper. (:-)

I thought about this a bit more when I looked at the <Woodsman, Jerry, c
palmer> sequence which included Vitamin E therapy (good antioxidant and
blood thinner) -- something to think about.

[Ignatz's Bricks]

Post by Jim
I don't know why you would get the strongest erection well into your
course of T-mix. I'd be curious if your doctor has any ideas about
why this is.

Jim, LMac stepped into a warm shower. As we age, body temperature,
especially lower back and buttocks temperature, greatly increase our
ability to achieve an erection. I have the same benefit, but not quite
as extreme as LMac did. Next time you inject and have passed the useful
life of the injection, take a warm shower and aim the shower at your
lower back and see what happens.

Ignatz

[Jim]

Post by Ignatz's Bricks

Post by Jim
I don't know why you would get the strongest erection well into your
course of T-mix. I'd be curious if your doctor has any ideas about
why this is.

Jim, LMac stepped into a warm shower. As we age, body temperature,
especially lower back and buttocks temperature, greatly increase our
ability to achieve an erection. I have the same benefit, but not quite
as extreme as LMac did. Next time you inject and have passed the useful
life of the injection, take a warm shower and aim the shower at your
lower back and see what happens.
Ignatz

Hmmm. Never tried that.

T-mix is so effective, though, that after about three hours I get a
little bored with being hard. But I will do this in the Name of
Science, Ignatz. :)

Jim

[lmac]

Post by Jim

Post by Ignatz's Bricks

Post by Jim
I don't know why you would get the strongest erection well into your
course of T-mix. I'd be curious if your doctor has any ideas about
why this is.

Jim, LMac stepped into a warm shower. As we age, body temperature,
especially lower back and buttocks temperature, greatly increase our
ability to achieve an erection. I have the same benefit, but not quite
as extreme as LMac did. Next time you inject and have passed the useful
life of the injection, take a warm shower and aim the shower at your
lower back and see what happens.
Ignatz

Hmmm. Never tried that.
T-mix is so effective, though, that after about three hours I get a
little bored with being hard. But I will do this in the Name of
Science, Ignatz. :)
Jim

Science is great! And, testing is fun. We're definitely out of the
woods and getting there--no accidents, panics or major screw-ups this
time. Ordered 10 units for a July 4th celebration. (She drew up 11 --
little bonus for mama -- perfect, this was a good bottom end of the
endurance envelope.)

First shaft shot--less sting than at 20 units--up in 20 min. (Yup Jim,
I'm still slow coming out the the gate.) Slightly anaorgasmic 40
minutes later (0+59). Again, no P.E. tendency as on the pills &
excellent fireworks. Got the same 'build' at about an hour. This
closely followed ejaculation so, there may be some synergy on this --
clearly, more testing is needed -- all in the name of 'Science.' Build
not as pronounced as on 20 units but definitely a 'build,' then level at
about 90% until collapse, 20 min. later. (total erect time for this
'quicky' was 1+00 -- 40min at 85% percent and 20 min at 90%.)

Followed I.B.'s orders about staying away from warm showers. Good
suggestion -- works for me.

Interesting 'anomaly:' Absolutely no refractory ???? Rebound SE at
about 3+00 with no stimulation. Or, maybe I read this wrong and there
was a 20 minute delay from orgasm to interim collapse and then a 90
minute refractory with a return to erect state. I was able to
'think-down' the SE.

We're 'go' for repeatability testing at 13 units. Will search the
marketplace for Jim's Ultra Comfort 31's today.

Thanks to I.B. and Jim for all the coaching and suggestions. Nice work
guys!! Knowing what I know now, five years ago... But, that's the
story of my whole life.

[Jim]

Science is great! And, testing is fun....

_________

So. Who is having more fun with Science these days than lmac? :)

I get a mild degree of anorgasmia on T-mix, but it's workable. Nothing
like what happens when I've taken more than 50 mg of V or have stacked
Cialis.

My new urologist was curious to know why I like T-mix sometimes over
the other drugs, most of his patients, I guess, being reluctant to
inject into their penises. When I told him that there is no refractory
period at all on T-mix, he got it immediately. Big smile.

When I was experimenting with titrating upward by slow degrees (0.01 cc
at a time) to learn duration and firmness, I was surprised to find that
after a certain level of dosage refractory became a non-issue. When I
ejaculated, all that nasty prolactin signaled by my pituitary had no
effect on the erection, which remained just as rigid as before. Keep
going? Why not, if another orgasm were possible, and it was. I love
this feature of T-mix.

I do think that lmac, in spite of being a slow-starter, may find a
level of dosage that kicks in faster for him. The trick with this
stuff sometimes, though, is in timing. There are occasions (unless you
always know when you are going to have sex) when having a boner like a
piece of PVC may interfere with a scheduled meeting or an important
thing you need to do outside the home. This is where the testing
period really comes in handy later. Jerry S. is a pro at this and
coached me while I was catching on to it.

Jim

[Ignatz's Bricks]

Post by lmac
Science is great! And, testing is fun. We're definitely out of the
woods and getting there--no accidents, panics or major screw-ups this
time. Ordered 10 units for a July 4th celebration. (She drew up 11 --
little bonus for mama -- perfect, this was a good bottom end of the
endurance envelope.)

Whoops! Glad to know I was wrong in my low end guess!

Post by lmac
First shaft shot--less sting than at 20 units--up in 20 min. (Yup Jim,
I'm still slow coming out the the gate.)

Sometimes, I never come up unless stimulated, other times, It comes up
by itself. Twenty minutes is a good time. I think my onset extremes
are between 15 and 40 minutes, but I never timed them exactly.

Post by lmac
Slightly anaorgasmic 40
minutes later (0+59). Again, no P.E. tendency as on the pills &
excellent fireworks. Got the same 'build' at about an hour. This
closely followed ejaculation so, there may be some synergy on this --
clearly, more testing is needed -- all in the name of 'Science.' Build
not as pronounced as on 20 units but definitely a 'build,' then level at
about 90% until collapse, 20 min. later. (total erect time for this
'quicky' was 1+00 -- 40min at 85% percent and 20 min at 90%.)
Followed I.B.'s orders about staying away from warm showers. Good
suggestion -- works for me.

Actually, I use a warm shower to recover, when the dose is wearing off.
My guess is that you will, too, once you get a good handle on the dose.

Post by lmac
Interesting 'anomaly:' Absolutely no refractory ???? Rebound SE at
about 3+00 with no stimulation. Or, maybe I read this wrong and there
was a 20 minute delay from orgasm to interim collapse and then a 90
minute refractory with a return to erect state. I was able to
'think-down' the SE.

With larger doses of Trimix, there is no collapse after ejaculation.
You can just keep on pumping with the PE just adding to the lubrication.

Post by lmac
We're 'go' for repeatability testing at 13 units. Will search the
marketplace for Jim's Ultra Comfort 31's today.

I was going to take a close up picture of a 29 gauge and 31 gauge needle
side-by-side and post it so you could see the difference, but apparently
after the last time I accidentally used one of those spikes, I threw the
last of them away to make sure it didn't happen again. With a 31 gauge
needle, unless my hand shakes during injection, there is no bleeding and
no bruise.

Post by lmac
Knowing what I know now, five years ago...

About 5 years ago, I stood with a needle in my shaking hand for the
first time and wondered to myself "What kinda nut am I to stick a needle
into Mr. Happy?"

IB

[mush97]

Are you writing a TV series screen play?

Post by lmac
Everyone enjoy. and have a great 4th of July. C'ya
--
...Lmac

[Jerry Sturdivant]

Post by Ignatz's Bricks
In my humble opinion, (I'm no doctor) the two main causes
of scarring are injecting using too large a needle (I use
a 31 gauge, the higher the number the smaller the size)
and injecting while you are hard, or are wearing a constriction
ring. Both of the above allow trimix to leak out of the
corpus cavernosum and be trapped there.

It's not a good idea to inject while hard. Your injection replaces
oxygenated blood for just a few seconds; until it's absorbed. Injecting
while hard means the injection doesn't move, or become absorbed as fast.
Although it's very small, I believe this small, oxygen deprived area, over
time can develops scaring.


Jerry of ASI

[Ignatz's Bricks]

Post by Ignatz's Bricks

Post by lmac
When I get better at this, I'll try to post some Levitra results.

Interesting. For me, Viagra works great as a booster if I fail to
inject enough. However Cialis does absolutely nothing to help an
injection, so I was surprised to hear you say that similar acting
Levitra helps.

This got me to thinking. I last tried stacking Trimix with Cialis was
well over two years ago, and at that time it showed no benefit. Since
then I've lost some weight and in general gotten more healthy.

I repeated the test and now will confirm that a small dose of Cialis six
to fifteen hours prior to injecting, really helps performance.

Your mileage may vary.

IB

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Post by r***@cox.net
I recently started using TriMix after having prostate surgery. After
the surgery I was taking Cialis 3 times a week and using a VED with
minimal results..and what a pain. My uro prescribed TriMix and it is
amazing what it can do. I usually stack it with Cialis with great
results. I also have a prescription for Viagra but haven't tried that
yet. My uro said it was fine to use the TriMix daily for a short
period of time and I have done that while on vacation with good
results.
My question. Has anyone used TriMix injections more than once in 24
hours successfully? I have occasions when once a day is not enough but
I have yet to try injecting twice in the same day. I expect the first
injection will be in the afternoon and the next injection would be late
that same night or early the next morning. I always alternate which
side of the penis I inject. Any information would be greatly
appreciated.

Yes, I have done it, 3 times in one day, and for 3 or 4 straight days, however, know this...You have now many open wounds in the inside of the penis and, caused a lot of scare tissue, or nubs...Now, you need to take anywhere from one week, to 6 weeks off, because the injection will burn going in, and so will the medicine...RIGHT? think about it? So, as of now, I am on a one week rest, which sucks, but you need to make sure you do not create scare tissue to the point your blood will not longer flow from one side of the penis to the other..From what I understand, the blood flows around the tip of the penis, back and forth, or like a duel exhaust system on your car...I would save the extra injections for nice vacations and try not to over do it...If you get yourself a willy full of scare tissue you will be taking anywhere form 2 to 4 months off...You can also develop an resistance to the trimix which will cost you more money in medicine and wow more burn...Just remember, each infection is making scare tissue, and scare tissue cause blockage and open wounds which burn...If you are going to act like a doctor, think like one

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You can use sudafed to get it down.